Quad Monitors (Square Layout) 1680x1050 Templates

Has anyone developed a LAYOUT file that can be used on 1680 res monitors without the extended DV Operate windows? With monitors set for 1680 and '16:10 Bypass' ticked, I can't get the layout (DeltaVPicture.Layout) to work unless I drop the res back down to 1280. I'd like to run at 1680 but with only 12 pictures instead of the default 21 pictures. I'm checking to see if a template exists before embarking on developing our own. Thanks

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  • Adrian,
    Having the Bypass selected ignores the layout file configuration. Try to uncheck the bypass and see if your layout file works.

    Currently away and on a smart phone so I don't have access to machine to get a layout file but you want 12 pictures for quad system correct?

    Regards,
    Matt
  • Ha, just got my email response and read the subject, too early on the weekend when I responded I guess :). I will post this later today when I get on my system if you haven't figured it out by then.
  • In reply to Matt Stoner:

    Below are the Picture number, type and coordinates with all three bars (Title, Menu and Status) hidden. If you have 'Full Screen in Run mode' selected in Workspace User Preferences, change the X=-6 to X=0.

    Picture1 - Toolbar

    X=-6, Y=0, H=80, W=1680

    Picture2 - Main Picture 1

    X=-6, Y=80, H=890, W=1680

    Picture3 - Alarm Banner

    X=-6, Y=970, H=80, W=1680

    Picture4 - Toolbar 2

    X=-6, Y=0, H=80, W=1680

    Picture5 - Main Picture 2

    X=-6, Y=80, H=890, W=1680

    Picture6 - Alarm Banner 2

    X=-6, Y=970, H=80, W=1680

    Picture7 - Toolbar 3

    X=-6, Y=970, H=80, W=1680

    Picture8 - Main Picture 3

    X=-6, Y=80, H=890, W=1680

    Picture9 - User Aux Bar 1

    X=-6, Y=0, H=80, W=1680

    Picture10 - Toolbar 4

    X=-6, Y=970, H=80, W=1680

    Picture11 - Main Picture 4

    X=-6, Y=80, H=890, W=1680

    Picture12 - User Aux Bar 2

    X=-6, Y=0, H=80, W=1680

    Show all three bars:

    Change Display Picture Height from 890 to 832 in the layout file

    Change Alarmban 1 and 2 and Toolbar 3 and 4 Y positions from 970 to 912 in the layout file

    Change all the Main Picture Document Height properties to 62.83

    Status bar only

    Change Display Picture Height from 890 to 871 in the layout file

    Change Alarmban 1 and 2 and Toolbar 3 and 4 Y positions from 970 to 951 in the layout file

    Change all the Main Picture Document Height properties to 65.78

    Title bar only

    Change Display Picture Height from 890 to 870 in the layout file

    Change Alarmban 1 and 2 and Toolbar 3 and 4 Y positions from 970 to 950 in the layout file

    Change all the Main Picture Document Height properties to 65.70

    Title and Status bar only

    Change Display Picture Height from 890 to 851 in the layout file

    Change Alarmban 1 and 2 and Toolbar 3 and 4 Y positions from 970 to 931 in the layout file

    Change all the Main Picture Document Height properties to 64.27

    Regards,

    Matt

  • Thanks Matt, I’ll try it out and report back.  One thing though, I don’t want to start changing picture sizes, the operators are happy with the normal scaling of the original picture so I hope with these coordinates, the width should scale to fit.
     
    Appreciate the assistance.
     
     
    From: Matt Stoner [mailto:bounce-MStoner@community.emerson.com]
    Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 1:16 AM
    To: DeltaV@community.emerson.com
    Subject: RE: [EE365 DeltaV Track] Quad Monitors (Square Layout) 1680x1050 Templates
     

    Below are the Picture number, type and coordinates with all three bars (Title, Menu and Status) hidden. If you have 'Full Screen in Run mode' selected in Workspace User Preferences, change the X=-6 to X=0.

    Picture1 - Toolbar

    X=-6, Y=0, H=80, W=1680

    Picture2 - Main Picture 1

    X=-6, Y=80, H=890, W=1680

    Picture3 - Alarm Banner

    X=-6, Y=970, H=80, W=1680

    Picture4 - Toolbar 2

    X=-6, Y=0, H=80, W=1680

    Picture5 - Main Picture 2

    X=-6, Y=80, H=890, W=1680

    Picture6 - Alarm Banner 2

    X=-6, Y=970, H=80, W=1680

    Picture7 - Toolbar 3

    X=-6, Y=970, H=80, W=1680

    Picture8 - Main Picture 3

    X=-6, Y=80, H=890, W=1680

    Picture9 - User Aux Bar 1

    X=-6, Y=0, H=80, W=1680

    Picture10 - Toolbar 4

    X=-6, Y=970, H=80, W=1680

    Picture11 - Main Picture 4

    X=-6, Y=80, H=890, W=1680

    Picture12 - User Aux Bar 2

    X=-6, Y=0, H=80, W=1680

    Show all three bars:

    Change Display Picture Height from 890 to 832 in the layout file

    Change Alarmban 1 and 2 and Toolbar 3 and 4 Y positions from 970 to 912 in the layout file

    Change all the Main Picture Document Height properties to 62.83

    Status bar only

    Change Display Picture Height from 890 to 871 in the layout file

    Change Alarmban 1 and 2 and Toolbar 3 and 4 Y positions from 970 to 951 in the layout file

    Change all the Main Picture Document Height properties to 65.78

    Title bar only

    Change Display Picture Height from 890 to 870 in the layout file

    Change Alarmban 1 and 2 and Toolbar 3 and 4 Y positions from 970 to 950 in the layout file

    Change all the Main Picture Document Height properties to 65.70

    Title and Status bar only

    Change Display Picture Height from 890 to 851 in the layout file

    Change Alarmban 1 and 2 and Toolbar 3 and 4 Y positions from 970 to 931 in the layout file

    Change all the Main Picture Document Height properties to 64.27

    Regards,

    Matt

  • In reply to AdrianOffield:

    Adrian,

    How did it work out?

    If you do have any of those options different, the main picture will get stretched and the text will most likely get distorted. You can check to see how they look first and if the text is getting distorted then you will need to adjust the document height.

  • Still working on it, but originally we had dual monitors @ 1680 with 6 pictures and it was fine, whatever stretching was going on didn’t have a noticeable drawback.  I’m expecting the QUAD in same configuration @1680 to be the same.
    From: Matt Stoner [mailto:bounce-MStoner@community.emerson.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:22 PM
    To: DeltaV@community.emerson.com
    Subject: RE: [EE365 DeltaV Track] Quad Monitors (Square Layout) 1680x1050 Templates
     

    Adrian,

    How did it work out?

    If you do have any of those options different, the main picture will get stretched and the text will most likely get distorted. You can check to see how they look first and if the text is getting distorted then you will need to adjust the document height.

  • In reply to Matt Stoner:

    Matt . . . all the X values are "-6" - is this because the monitors are driven from two different cards? Or is it just what works?

    A number of the pictures seem to have the same coordinates? e.g. pic 6, pic 7, pic 10.

    What's the logic? With dual monitors it all seemed like counting pixels . . .
  • In reply to John Rezabek:

    John,

    Each of the numbers do correlate to pixels for each monitor with left, top position for each monitor being x=0, y=0.

    I think the -6 has to do with visible outlines of workspace/pictures but we almost always setup to run Full Screen and use x=0 for operator stations.

    Yes the pictures have the same coordinates as they will be placed in the same locations on each monitor, it doesn't have to be this way though. It wouldn't prevent someone from having the 6 pics on monitor 1 but then only having just alarm banner, main pic and toolbar on another monitor but this layout would mostly likely cause distortion on the main picture displays (which is why they are configured the same way) because iFix displays aren't scalable and should be configured based on the window size they will be placed in.

    At the end of the Layout file is some help except the "Naming a Layout File" section hasn't been updated for v13 (at least in 13.3 versions) so I will describe the order in a different format hopefully for more clarity (omit the 1920 items if not v13):

    1. No Layout used if using 1680 or higher resolution and “Bypass 16x10 Panel Layout” is enabled (I think even in 1920 it does this but the checkbox isn’t visible to uncheck if it was checked while in 1680 first)
    2. If “WorkstationName_Picture.Layout” exists (WorkstationName is the actual name of the machine), it will be used
    3. “DefaultSquare_1680x1050.Layout” used for 1680x1050, 4 monitors in 2x2 arrangement.
    4. “DefaultVertical_1680x1050.Layout” used for 1680x1050, 2-4 monitors in Vertical arrangement.
    5. “DefaultHorizontal_1680x1050.Layout” used for 1680x1050, 1-4 monitors in Horizontal arrangement.
    6. “DefaultSquare_1920x1080.Layout” used for 1920x1080, 4 monitors in 2x2 arrangement.
    7. “DefaultVertical_1920x1080.Layout” used for 1920x1080, 2-4 monitors in Vertical arrangement.
    8. “DefaultHorizontal_1920x1080_DUAL.Layout” used for 1920x1080, 1-2 monitors in Horizontal arrangement (Take notice that Single monitor uses the _DUAL and not the one that doesn't unless they changed it in 13.3.1).
    9. “DefaultHorizontal_1920x1080.Layout” used for 1920x1080, 3-4 monitors in Horizontal arrangement.
    10. Otherwise “DeltaVPicture.Layout” will be used

    Hope this clears it up

  • In reply to Matt Stoner:

     Matt, thanks for the reply.

    Thinking this will make navigation a little easier for the board operator, I am trying to get this to function. I think they will have an easier time finding the mouse.

    Primary / Secondary, whichever the order, I want these to function like their current dual monitor vertical workstation.

    The 3rd monitor "above" the secondary display would have the alarm summary.

    The 4th would be a large screen overview graphic.

    1.) Do I have the screen order correct?

    2.) The "DefaultVertical_1680x1050.Layout" only defines the primary and secondary screens (11 pictures which includes the history lists). Can I use the definitions for USER1 and USER2 from my quad layout file (which now largely works, thank you) and paste them into a new one for the 1x4 vertical layout?

  • In reply to John Rezabek:

    I'm checking but I don't think 4 displays is supported in vertical arrangement...give me some time to check but if it was supported it would probably be either 1,2,3,4 from the top or from the bottom (switch 1 and 2).
  • In reply to Matt Stoner:

    I get the mysterious "error 9 - subscript out of range", but if you find the error in the Windows application log it tells you that the screen arrangement is not supported - so I guess 1 wide by 4 high is not currently available . . .
  • In reply to John Rezabek:

    That was my suspicion but I see comments that say "up to 4" in the reading of the layout file logic but that doesn't mean much :D

    If I had a system I would check but unfortunately I don't have one that I can use.
  • In reply to Matt Stoner:

    I was trying to find the KBA that calls out the valid layouts but couldn't find it. The only valid 4 monitor layouts are the square and horizontal line. The only valid 3 monitor layout is horizontal line. We've had sites ask for odd layouts before but they aren't supported by DeltaV.
  • In reply to Matt Stoner:

    Hi Matt,

    This quad monitor setting is new for me in our system. Recently we just install quad monitors in our system beside the existing dual monitors. Our DCS is DeltaV version 13.3.1. The quad monitor layout is horizontal 1,2,3,4 with same size for all. We found the toolbar and banner alarm in monitor-3 and 4 are different version and shape with other two monitors in the left (1 and 2).

    I tried to change the usersetting file for theses particular toolbar and alarm banner script by removing the single quote (') in front of the script, but it gives me an error message and all quad monitors not working after 14 percentage loading.

    Do you have any suggestion what wrong with my step?


    Best Regards,
    Ismail Umar