Deleting Device

How can I delete a device from AMS device manager?

  • In reply to Andre Dicaire:

    Thanks, it worked.
  • In reply to Tinh Phan:

    Good point Tinh. Moving the alarm priority to LOG will prevent it from setting an alarm active state at the consoles. Don't have to create Plant Area as I suggested earlier.

    Andre Dicaire

  • In reply to Andre Dicaire:

    Operators have been complaining about device alarms on their alarm list. I thought about moving the priority to LOG. I ran "update device alarm defaults" for a CIOC that had some devices with comm alarms, which of course removed the nuisance alarms. But now I am having regrets. My first question is how do go back with that CIOC.

    I have a second question, which is what are folks doing with these device alarms? Do you allow them to alarm the operator? On the one hand, it's nice to be warned that a valve has lost its travel sensor. The 4-20 signal will be good, but the process goes crazy. The alarm saves troubleshooting and precious time. On the other hand, a transmitter may have a good 4-20 signal, but HART communication is lost. In that case, the comm alarm is a nuisance to the operator. But it's not a nuisance to maintenance personnel who need to know something isn't working right. What is the best way to display device alarms that balances the competing interests? Is it best to have them all at LOG priority and make maintenance folks go looking for them in process history view? Is it better to set up a plant area for device alarms so operators can filter them on or off as needed? Or is it better to have them in the same plant area as their associated modules to bother the operator so that he/she calls somebody to go fix the devices? Maybe the link Tinh gave us above could have helped me, but I don't have permission to access the information, because I was not at the conference.
  • In reply to Mark Bendele:

    I would assign the device alarm to an area (e.g, MAINTENANCE_AREA) where only maintenance personnel will see it.

  • In reply to Mark Bendele:

    If you are having HART communication error alarms here make sure the loops are designed and installed according to the HCF_SPEC-054 specification. The HART communication application guide HCF_LIT-039 and the HART field communication protocol technical overview HCF_LIT-20 include some design guidelines as well as other useful information. They are summarized in this essay:
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    Most common design and installation mistakes for HART
    -No HART pass-through
    -Cable not meeting HART specs
    -Missing loop resistance
    -High loop resistance
    -High loop capacitance
    -Safety barrier not HART compliant
    -Cable routing
    -Wrong shielding
    -Housing not grounded
    -No HART input filter
    -No HART output filter
    -No HART line conditioner
    -Device not HART compliant
    -No DD file available
    -Noisy power supply
    -Master conflict
    -Burst communication contention
    -Address setting
    -Command 48 not supported
    -System not HART7 compliant
    -Slow polling
    -DD not loaded on DCS
    -DD not loaded on IDM software
    -DD not loaded on portable
    -Wrong DD file
    -Analog output tight-shutoff
    -Wrong grounding
    -Shield shorted
    -Shield continuity
    -Cable damage
  • In reply to Andre Dicaire:

    There are a few different ways to separate your alarms depending on your plant size. Our plant prefers to separate them into four categories.

    Alarms for Operators (process), E/I (maint), AMS (field device) and Controls (DeltaV device).

    Operators see alarms for the Plant_Area assigned to their station with narrow scope of priorities, ideally for things they have direct control over.

    E/I see alarms with one specific maintenance priority -MAINT_LOW- on dedicated maintenance stations. This could be things like DeltaV hardware advise alarms (open loop, line fault etc), Deviation alarms, equipment health and building temp.

    AMS is really part of the maintenance stations but the field instrumentation alarms are assigned to their own Plant_Area called Devices and the priority is shared with E/I. This makes it easy to filter the alarm list for investigation.

    Controls have most of the DeltaV builtin hardware alarms with a specific maintenance priority - MAINT_HIGH. This allows the Controls folks to keep track of the DeltaV system hardware. COMM_ALM, FAILED_ALM and MAINT_ALM are all priority MAINT_HIGH. The hardware alarm ADVISE_ALM is directed to E/I since it usually represents a field problem. Controls also have a few process alarms directed their way by having the priority set to MAINT_HIGH such as DeltaV cabinet temperature and DC power supply health.


    Personally, I think the less time spent in PHV, the better.