Rosemount Radar Level Transmitter 5402 no signal

We have a 5402 LT without its cone antenna installed and it was working perfectly.

But later, after few years, it started giving a BAD signal.

It is mounted on a flange with 2 inches pipe under.

We did not installed the 2-inch cone antenna because it doesn't fit into the 40mm hole of the flange.

The pipe length under the flange is 530mm.

The tank height is 1500mm.

Total height of the LT from the "0" ref (bottom level of tank) is 1500mm + 530mm = 2030mm.

My questions are:

1. Is it because the cone antenna is not installed that's why it is giving a BAD signals now?

2. Can we retrofit the LT with a rod antenna? If yes, what are the things need to consider to retrofit the rod?

Thanks for your responses.

  • In reply to Rein:

    Hello Rein,
    I completely agree with you that, even though the unit is erratically set up, you should at least get an erratic reading out of it. A missing antenna will definitely be a cause for erratic readings and/or missing signals. The unit may work for a while, but as the time passes, build-up may form inside the nozzle and change the geometry for the microwaves and thus cause an totally erratic behaviour. You will hopefully find that that is the case here. Still, we cannot totally rule out that the unit itself is broken, so plots (a.k.a. tank spectras, echo curves) from the unit will help us forward with the matter if the new antenna doesn't help. Please keep us updated about the progress and we will do our best to assist you!
    Kind regards,
    Ingemar
  • In reply to Ingemar Serneby:

    Hello Ingemar,

    I'm back again after a long wait. Here are the updates on the radar transmitter.

    I installed the 2" cone antenna and still, it did not clear the problem.

    I hooked up the 475 and here's what I found:

    1. The Microwave Module Status shows Invalid Reference Pulse. What does this mean?

    2. I tried to Search for Surface and run the Measure and Learn but it failed due to built-in status response.

    3. When I simulate, all Primary Values Status become Good_NonCascade, including the signal strength and the LCD displayed the simulated value. I did not activate the volume as I don't need it.

    But when I stop simulating, all Primary Values Status goes BAD::Non_Specified and the LCD displayed "-- -- -- --" again.

    4. Also, the Transducer Type is showing "-----------------". Is this normal?

    5. And lastly, I removed the 2" cone antenna and repeated what I did from 1-4, and the result was the same. No change.

    What could be the reason why it is not working properly?

    Thanks again.

    Rein

  • In reply to Rein:

    Looks like the problem is that the signal between the transmitter head and the antenna is missing (ie. the reference pulse). The transmitter came from Emerson Middle East.
  • In reply to Rein:

    Hello Rein!
    I am sorry to hear that the antenna didn't resolve the matter. As mentioned in my previous replies, it might very well be the transmitter head itself that is causing the main problem. The "invalid reference pulse" is likely caused by an electrical failure within the microwave chain as it is supposed to generate pulses used both for reference and for measurement. Did you have an opportunity to look at the tank graph / plot view? Or even make a photo of it for our review? If it shows a flat line rather than pulses, the answer then is very clear; the transmitter head most likely need to be replaced.
    Best regards,
    Ingemar
  • In reply to Ingemar Serneby:

    The transmitter is unable to "Search the Surface", create an "Echo curve", or even do the "Measure and Learn". I can't generate the tank graph.
  • In reply to Rein:

    Hello Rein!
    It is very likely that the transmitter is broken and I thus recommend you to have it replaced. Even though a missing antenna may result in similar behaviour, I think that you have proven that the problem remain with an antenna in place - and I find it unlikely that erratic configuration is the root cause as this unit has been in operation previously. Also the missing reference pulse alarm is a strong indication that something is wrong with this unit.
    Best regards,
    Ingemar
  • In reply to Ingemar Serneby:

    Hello Ingemar,

    I was able to get the Echo Curve. Below is the screenshot.

    Could this be a sign that the transmitter is actually faulty?

    Because, I can't see any failure activated in the diagnostics under Resource Block.

    And the device status shows GOOD.

  • In reply to Rein:

    Hello Rein,
    The echo curve is our best tool to show the actual health of the unit. In this case, the total absence echoes clearly indicate that not only the reference pulse is missing or is diminished, it is also a clear indication that there is no energy sent out. I cannot imagine that any erratic setting of any of the user configurable registers can cause this behaviour. I thus strongly believe that this unit is broken.
    Best regards
    Ingemar
  • In reply to Ingemar Serneby:

    Another strange thing on this Rosemount product is that, it did not even show in the parameters the Microwave Module or Hardware Error.

    Only the Invalid Reference Pulse.

    I'm sure the microwave module is damaged.

    Thanks a lot Ingemar for your time in answering my queries. I can consider it solved. We will just replace the hardware.